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a month before the so-called fiscal cliff and house speaker boehner said congressional republicans are "nowhere in talks with the white house." they are trying. good morning. i'm jamie colby. great to have you here. welcome to america's news headquarters. >> eric: i'm eric shawn. good morning. in an exclusive interview with "fox news sunday," speaker boehner says negotiations are at a standstill. this is as treasury secretary tim geithner says the president is ready for what he calls difficult concessions. mr. boehner says he was flabbergasted at the white house stance on what they say needs to be done. peter doocy has details this morning on the latest developments from washington. good morning, peter. >> good morning, eric. spieger boehner said negotiations are nowhere, period and he called treasury secretary tim geithner's presentation of the white house proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff earlier in week "nonserious." >> i was flabbergasted. i lookedded a him like you can't be serious. i've just never seen anything like it. you know we have seven weeks between election day and t
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that bashar al assad's regime has begun mixing sarin gas. >>> the speaker of the house, john boehner offered up his own plan to avoid the fiscal cliff today. does it add up? >>> and the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, susan rice comes under fire again. this time, it's over rwanda. let's go "outfront. >>> good evening, welcome, everyone. "outfront" tonight breaking news, president obama puts the syrian president on notice. the president is reacting to new evidence that assad's regime has started mixing chemicals to make deadly sarin gas, adding to its massive stockpile of chemical weapons. >> and today i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable. >> assad is on the edge of president obama's so-called red line against syria. the president said this summer that syria's use or movement of chemical weapons could mean u.s. intervention. so outfront tonight,
in turmoil and second recession coming. number two, john boehner, the speaker is claiming he's met obama's demand for higher taxes for the rich. that's good. he agreed in principle the rich must pay more. number three, there's talk for the republican leaders that they could vote to continue the tax cuts for the 98% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates,
. and the republicans, boehner's got to go to work and come back, and now there's 70 of them left, the tea party guys. these are guys who went to congress not to limit government but to stop it. so what are you going to do? we've got five democrats, five republicans who range from dick durbin of illinois, great progressive democrat, and coburn of oklahoma, a progressive conservative, and five dems, five republicans, one independent, that's a super majority. and for god's sake, the reason we were so successful is we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you. >> good morning. it's thursday, december 6th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, msnbc political analyst, former democratic congressman, harold ford jr. >> mr. professor. >> good morning. >> professor. >> and we have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner. >> financier. >> rattner is here. i like -- and we have to go back to that. it's the truth. >> it is! >> money is money. >> in washington, msnbc and "time" senior political analyst, mark halperin. >> we sa
. speaker john boehner meets this morning with house republicans who are angry at his new pitch to raise $800 billion in tax revenue in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins m
on house speaker john boehner. speaker boehner a key republican and after his meeting with geithner this morning, boehner said these urgent talks haven't moved forward in two weeks. keep in mind, they need to get it done by january 1st and here's boehner getting grumpy with cnn's kate baldwin. take a look. >> to this point, most -- most public statements have been optimistic, confident, hopeful. we're all sensing a very different tone from you right now. are you walking away from talks? have things completely broken down, mr. speaker? >> no, no, no. stop. i got to tell you. i'm disappointed in where we are and disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of weeks. but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious, as well. >> all right. so once again, here are the cliff notes right here. republicans on the hill are demanding trillions of dollars worth of debt reduction. that's pretty much fine with democrats who say the wealthy should foot the bill in the form of higher tax rat
if the president meets them halfway. house speaker boehner says they are not any closer to a deal publicly. >> all eyes or on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap but leadership. it is time for the president and congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they are willing to make. >>shepard: the democrats say any are open to spending cuts but no one has been specific. no one is specific. they say the republicans will not answer serious solutions. >> let them come forward with something. the issue is simple as was shown during all the presidential debates and during all the conversation during the campaign you cannot get from here to there unless you raise the upper rates. >>shepard: the president argues that a majority of members support his plan for the removal of the tax cuts from the bush era a centerpiece of his campaign. ed, i am getting from all corners of the political world they are actually making progress behind-the-scenes not talking about it publicly but there is real progress. >>reporter: perhaps. "politico" has a story saying there was a
approaching, last night house spaeker john boehner took a break from the fight. . >> god bless us, everyone. and from my family to yours merry christmas. >> five, four, three, two, one. good job. >> well, that was one countdown clock. this morning the president is going to tell a graup of ceos that businesses need the certainty that middle class families won't see their taxes go up it at the end of the year. the president made it clear in his first interview since being re-elected on bloomberg news that he does not plan to budge on the idea of raising tax rates for the wealthiest 2% of americans. >> unfortunately it is still out of balance. $800 billion worth of revenues but he says he'll do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. we're going to have to see the top 02% go up. we're not going to be able to to get a deal without it. >> leaving open the possibility that they could come down again next year as part of comprehensive tax reform. >> let's let those go up and then let's set up a process for a time surgeon end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on
boehner spoke an hour on the phone. today, the optimism hit a snag. and we can tell you there are some changes going on in the mood as they reverted to their default position, a stalemate. chris-crossing the capital today, the top negotiatior, tim geithner, met top republicans and democrats about the fiscal crisis but john boehner came out saying that the white house has not come up with a strategy critical to votes. >> i am disappointed where we are and what has happened over the last couple weeks. but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. >> reporter: any real deal-making is the stuff of quiet conversations and meetings. rob neighbors used the language of high-stakes diplomacy to respond to john boehner's complaint >> i thought the conversation was very direct. and as always, i appreciate directness. >> reporter: while the senate majority leader, harry reid, was very blunt about being pessimistic. >> i don't understand his brain, you should ask him. >> reporter: visiting their nation's capitol today, mixed expectations from tourists from georgia and texas >> i hope they ge
's in a meeting with house speaker john boehner and mitch mcconnell, top republican in the senate, as well as nancy pelosi, the top democrat in the house. now coming out of the meeting with senator reid, i'm not getting much at the moment from sources but one democratic aide tells me the following. he says that we -- this aide told me, we're all on the same page today. it's more about republicans. that goes without saying, because these negotiations really were focusing on the negotiations between the white house and speaker boehner, even before the meeting, which the treasury secretary and speaker boehner, a spokesman gave us this following statement, ashleigh. i want to read to you. he says, we accepted this meeting with the expectation that the white house team will bring a specific plan for real spending cuts, because spending cuts that washington democrats will accept is what is missing from the balanced approach that the president says he wants. clearly, what that tells me, republicans are putting the ball in the white house's court, and democrats' court to come forward with spending
cliff. the president is john boehner are facing off for what couldçe a down to the wire nail-biter of a fiscal fight. indeed, the stakes are so high, the pressure so intense, that the house is calling it quits for the week. giving themselves another much deserved break. of course, not before demanding action from the president. >> where are the specifics? where are the discussions? nothing is going on, so we asked the president, sit down with us. >> i'll be here, i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> of course the speaker had to clarify that since the house is not back in session till tuesday. leaving just three days on the legislative calendar to get a deal. don't work too hard, guys. the president began his day meeting with business leaders a suring them he passionately roots for their success. even as he broke the news face to face that their taxes are going up. >>. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in in way that will affect your spending, lifes
negotiator rob neighbor to capitol hill where they will lay out their proposal with speaker boehner. more bill press is coming up after the break. as always, we're live in our chat room and would love to see you there. current.com/billpress. we're right back. you're about to watch a viewer created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes unites states veterans everywhere. >> hi, i'm rick loz. i joined the united states air force in 1987. as i was leaving the service i went into a civilian career for a little bit but i was looking for a little bit more than what the civilian career had to offer me and that's when learned about the little caesars veterans program. the little caesars veterans program helps the veterans transition to civilian life. they give them credits and discounts on the things that they are going to need to help open a new store. it was a program that they were just starting to kick off and i got the honor of being the very first veteran. i have three kids and boy, they were very happy to help out. i had one as a cashier, one worked a some of
rates are going to have to go up. >> house speaker john boehner appears to be struggling now that the president and democrats are negotiating for a position of power. talking points memo points out republicans are used to getting 70% to 75% of what they ask for in these types of negotiations but now speaker boehner is going on and on about how he's shocked and amazed at president's plan and is refusing to offer a counter plan on the republican side. you want to talk about this or anything else, join us online at current.com/stephaniemiller. we'll see you with more after the break. kind of guys who do like reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all of the time now. >> she gets the comedians laughing... >> that's hilarious! >> ...and the thinkers, thinking. >> okay, so there is wiggle-room in the ten commandments, is what you're telling me. >> she's joy behar. >> and the best part is that current will let me say anything. >> what the hell were they thinking? >> only on current tv. brought to you by geico. 15 minutes could s
of the conditioningal leadership which includes speaker john boehner, perhaps the most important player here. the meetings mark the beginning of the real negotiations. that doesn't mean the posturing stage is behind us. one capitol hill veteran, former fdic, sheila bair, a long-time staffer by the way who butted heads with geithner in the past, made this interesting observation to david gregory about tim geithner saying he's not the right guy for the white house to be sending in for these talks. >> do you think tim geithner, secretary geithner is the right person to lead the negotiations for the administration sf. >> i don't know. i don't think this is tim's strong suit. i think tim was given the job of treasury secretary because he understood the banking system. he's not a budget guy. he's not a tax guy. he's never really worked in this sphere. >> geithner is leading these talks for two reasons. he and the president are very close. they simply click. secondly, boehner likes him. that's why geithner is the front man here. that sometimes matter more than anything else. on wednesday, the presi
is saying that with the way speaker boehner plan stands now, no deal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. we will have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we are not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> that was an exclusive with bloomberg t.v. and the first televised interview since the president's re-election. as you heard, taxes are the big issue blocking this deal from taking place. president obama is calling for downhill the amount of tax revenue as speaker boehner over the next tens years, most from the nation's top earners. many. republicans say that's not the way to handle this. here is marco rubio. >> it wouldn'ting make a small bent in the debt but it would heard middle class businesses. >> the g.o.p. could be risking a civil war over this issue. it does not look like obama is ready to cave. if that forces republican leaders to compromise staunch conservatives will likely rebel. more "bill press" up after the break. we will be right back. exciting issue. from financial regulation, iran getting a nuclear
. >> thanks. turning to political news. house gop leader john boehner said we are going no where and wake up washington the count reap is about to go over the fiscal cliff. republicans are urging the republicans to stand against the tax increase. we are 30 days from going over the fiscal cliff . both sides are pointing fingers and blaming each one for the stalemate. but the real losers is you and me, the american taxpayer if the taxpayers can't come to a compromise. steve has more on the part of the grid lock. >> hi, uma. one month away from the critical deadline and there appears to be very little movement to a deal. the president is using the bully pulpit and appeal to the american people and pushing to extend the bush era tax cuts but those making $250,000. a year. democrats want high tax rates for the wealthy. the president stressed the urgency of the situation in the radio address. >> if congress does nothing. every family will see the income taxes go up in the beginning of next year. a family of four will see income taxes rise $2200. we can't let that happen. our families can't afford
you for joining us. >> eliot: will john boehner and mitch mcconnell actually leave this time? coming up next. ice breakers mints. break the ice. question: why are ice breakers mints called mints? answer in a moment. fruit just got cooler. fruit on one side, cool on the other. ice breakers duo. a fruity, cool way to break the ice. brought to you by ice breakers mints. break the ice. [ singing christmas carols in background ] aunt sally's singing again. it's a tradition honey. [ singing christmas carols ] mmmm. [ female announcer ] make new traditions with pillsbury grands! cinnamon rolls. [ female announcer ] what would you call an ordinary breakfast pastry that's been wrapped in a flaky crust stuffed with a gooey center toasted up all golden brown then given a delicious design? a toaster strudel. pillsbury toaster strudel. so delicious...so fun. >> eliot: one of the reasons cited by senate republicans to ratify an u.n. treaty providing protection to people with disabilities they didn't believe big decisions should be made by a lame duck congress, re
. >> eliot: will john boehner and mitch mcconnell actually leave jennifer >>>> i want the people who watch our show to be able to come away armed with facts and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. >> eliot: one of the reasons cited by senate republicans to ratify an u.n. treaty providing protection to people with disabilities they didn't believe big decisions should be made by a lame duck congress, really? these are the same folks who were supposed to be in serious negotiations about the impending fiscal cliff. even mitch mcconnell should acknowledge the hypocrisy in that one. over the fiscal cliff negotiations one thing has become crystal clear. the schisms are becoming more and more pronounce. there are three distinct groups, theological warriors who want to impose their views on the country. tee party zealots and remnant of the pro business moderates while their fiscal views are the last reasonable voice in the republican party. it's this last group who are willing to compromise and combine their ideologi
since president obama and john boehner met in person. nbc news confirms two leaders spoke by phone for 15 minutes last night a call described by politico as short and curt. boehner gave his state on the current talks a moment ago. >> no substancetive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over past two weeks. all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a v victory lap it needs leader. >> behind the scenes of the contours of a deal are starting to take shape, a trillion plus dollars in tax heights, entitlements of $400 billion and 1.2 trillion in spending cuts to offset the dreaded sequester. if the phoners haven't been gabfests the president is chatting up other folks including small business owners, middle class americans and mitt romney-loving ceos. if awkward meetings are par for the course in washington, the president's one today takes the cake. later this hour, president obama will sit down for a post-election chitchat with the prince of awkward, the king of tilted conversation and uncomfortabled one-liners, mitt romney. is ther
in the room when harry reid was talking about john boehner's brain, that they were really infused by the election. they referenced it so many times in talking about the priorities. specifics were kind of the word of the day. everybody saying the other side has to give specifics. this morning republicans are saying don't expect any public counteroffer after what the president's team presented here, one of their big concerns is the $1.6 trillion in tax revenue over ten years. they say that's about twice where republicans think they might be able to get a deal and for them that was not a good starting point. >> kelly, can i quickly ask you why we should not expect a counteroffer interest republicans? isn't that what this whole game is about? >> reporter: public. if i didn't say public, let me emphasize. >> you did. >> reporter: we heard about the president's offer and what republicans are also saying they are trying hard to not criticize the president publicly, focus on the specifics of the deal. there are concerns about that, not wanting to spoil the move further. at least that's th
boehner blasted the white house plan which was put forward last week. boehner says the president essentially wasted the last three weeks since the election with nonsense. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue over ten years, twice as much as he been asking for in public. stimulus spending that exceeded the amount of new cuts he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. >> reporter: and boehner says he was flabbergasted when he was given the proposal. >> heather: and democrats are defending themselves? >> treasury-secretary tim geithner on fox news defending the president's plan for raising revenues, cutting spending and reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the next ten years. he said the ball is in the g.o.p.'s court. >> you have heard them for the first time i think in two decades they are willing to have revenues go up to make a balanced plan but they have to tell you what they want do on rates and revenues. >> he says there is no plan to an agreement unless they acknowledge tax rates have to go up for the wealthiest americans. >> heathe
-down with the speaker of the house, john boehner, mr. speaker boehner came out and told reporter that is the treasury secretary offered no new substantive plan and would not address the issue of spending cuts at all. as we reported on this show yesterday, it is no longer clear that the white house even wants spending cuts in this initial deal. it wants solely tax hikes, or at least that's all that it's been talking about x that now -- that dichotomy -- is becoming a big issue. here's the speaker. >> two weeks ago we had a very productive conversation at the white house. but based on where we stand today, i would say two things. first, despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. megyn: well, meantime, senate majority leader harry reid argues he is still waiting for a reasonable proposal from republicans. this all comes after a leading voice on debt taxes and spending warned about the cost of n
disappointment, it wasn't a serious one. >>shepard: speaker boehner referred to meetings with the treasury secretary geithner. republicans called plan he layed out a step backwards, so much that top senate republican were mcconnell burst into laugh laughing western he heard it. people on the left, even, a lot of people on the left, said, man, this was heavy handed. he is asking for a lot. >>reporter: he is. if you look at the tax side, the president campaigned on raising taxes but high talked about raising them to the tune of $800 billion. instead, what was put on the table is double that, $1.6 trillion in new tax increases. the president, though, out there upsetting republicans because he is outcampaigning again and he said i missed being out here on the trail. so rather than negotiating with republicans he was on the road in pennsylvania and saying i ran on this in terms of raising taxes. it is time to collect. >> at the end of the day, a clear majority of americans, democrats, republicans, independents, agreed with a balanced approach to gift reduction and making sure the middle class t
through 18 holes and a black tie bash. speaker boehner sums up with where things are with the word of the week, nowhere. a big fight brewing over republicans ratifying a u.n. treaty to help people with disabilities that's based on a u.s. law signed by a republican president. find out how a republican attorney general plan to overcome the opposition. >> president obama pile on praise that sounds like anything but. a farewell for hillary clinton. i'm fighting a fiscal cough, so pardon that. if it's always darkest. it's clear the white house-re house-republican leaders, both sides appear to be very far apart, saluting kennedy center honorees from dustin hoffman to led zeppelin and hitting the golf links with former president bill clinton. the guy with whom he will have to make a deal to end the standoff on the fiscal cliff house speaker john boehner requested time on fox news to publicly declare the president's opening bid a nonstarter. >> i was flabbergasted. we're nowhere. >> treasury secretary tim geithner did the full ginsberg with taped appearances on all five shows. nothing will
tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the bottom line is the president and speaker boehner have not spoken now in several days. so there is really no signs of progress. there has been some discussion that look that's just happening in public. behind closed doors maybe they are gaining some ground, i have spoken to some top white house officials tonight some top republicans on the hill they say in private they are not making progress either, shep. >> shepard: republicans say they have offered some compromises. >> they have in the sense that speaker boehner with his policy late yesterday put $100 billion in new tax revenue on the table. that was a concession by him but not far enough as you noted for the white house because the white house wants him to not just raise tax revenue by limiting intuctions and loopholes and the like. they want to see tax rates go up but republic lea
from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> house speaker boehner saying that is president obama and the democrats to save you for being higher taxes. this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans, larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america believe that the reason that president obama is going to win the debate is because, come the fiscal cliff moment, that if he goes over, that they are going to save the backsides of the wealthy 2% of americans. i probably shouldn't but i do. >> speaking as a reagan conservative, i must say i rather agree with you. probably shouldn't. but i do. i think divided government is very difficult. and there's some principles that speaker boehner is fighting for, with which i actually agree. but i think politically, the risk here for the gop, is they've become the party of rich people. and they give up the middle-class to the democrats. and i think you saw some of that in the presidential election. i don't think that's their inten
, especially among republicans to pass. there's some question whether john boehner would even put a bill like that on the floor. so, right now, a standoff. but that's the bad news. the good news is they have a month left to negotiate. >> mike viqueira from the white house, we'll see you again next hour. thank you. >>> it may be the republicans biggest weapon in the fiscal cliff debate and democrats are trying to remove it permanently. this week, treasury secretary timothy geithner took a proposal to gop leaders that significantly restrict congress' authority over the debt limit. house speaker john boehner pushing back maintaining a debt ceiling increase would need to be matched by spending cuts. >> if we're going to talk about the debt limit in this, then, there's going to be some price tag associated with it. i continue to believe that any increase in the debt limit has to be aacademied by spending reductions that meet or exceed it. >> joining me now, political anchor "new york one news" and co-editor of "scandals, tragedies and trumps triumphs." senior ederter for politics and news at yahoo
. >> we need a response from the white house, we can't negotiate with ourselves. >> john boehner made a point at expressing dismay the president hasn't responded two days after the republicans sent him a fiscal cliff counteroffer. >> if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> by trying to keep gop frustration on the president, boehner appears to be keeping conservative lawmakers off his own back for now. >> what's mood inside the conference. >> very united, very supportive with the speaker. >> multiple sources tell cnn in a private meeting with house republicans, boehner got no flow back for producing $800 billion in tax revenue, despite backlash from conservative groups outside congress. >> any complaints about this new revenue? >> i didn't hear anything. >> the speaker has full support of the conference to move forward and get something done for the american people. >> so far, rank and time republicans are allowing boehner to play out this showdow
our economy. >> reporter: republicans led by house speaker john boehner says he should quit campaigning and take care of the business at hand. republicans say they are willing to consider raising more revenue but they want to see spending cuts to go along with it. >> we need to hear they are willing to make spending cuts now, not promises of spending cuts sometime if the future. to me the tidal waves that are coming at us is social security and medicare and the new health care law. >> reporter: now house democratic leader nancy pelosi is calling the speakers to bring the tax to the floor by tuesday or she will try to force a vote. boehner is not likely to buckle under pressure so it seems like a standoff. >> gregg: sfuaf. what a surprise? they want to resolve this fiscal crisis or lack in his real compromise. john boehner is leading an attack on the lack of progress. >> there is a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. it was not a serious proposal. so right now we're almost nowhere. >> gregg: almost nowhere. how about that? staff writer for roll call joins us live. the preside
without bearing gifts. the specific list of spending cuts that spiker boehner wanted geithner to bring, leading the republicans to declare talks are going nowhere. >> i'm disappointed in where we are. and disappointed in what has happened over the last several weeks. i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. i would hope the white house could get serious as well. >> key driver of that anger is the fact that yesterday the president flatly declared while he wants tax changes now, spending cuts can wait. >> it would give us more time than next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down the deficits. >> white house spokesman jay carney broke new ground declaring today the president does want spending cuts, listed in his budget plan to be included in the fiscal cliff talks. >> hold up the budget and say democrats on capitol hill vote for including the spending cuts in this deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. that is not what they are doing now. should they include those? >> yes. i think that, and i know that democrats accept that this has to be it, a balanced package, that inclu
with the very latest. jessica? >> reporter: president obama has now personally turned down speaker boehner's opening offer to avert the fiscal cliff. he did it in a tv interview. what does president obama think of speaker boehner's proposal to avert the fiscal cliff? >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks about $800 billion worth of revenues but says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> reporter: he won't agree to eliminate a tax deduction for contributions to charity. >> every hospital and university and nonfor profit agency across the country would find themselves on the verge of collapse. so that's not a realistic option. >> reporter: but the president didn't say all this to speaker boehner. he said it in an interview on bloomberg tv. the last time the two men spoke was almost a week ago. president obama is focused on the stalemate with congress over averting the fiscal cliff, but he's just not talking to house republicans about it. at the white house, he discussed the issue with a bipartisa
onto their bargaining power right now. you have both sides doing these kind of events. john boehner came out right after the president spoke in pennsylvania and said we're at a stalemate. that's sort of sending the alarm and also trying to hold your cards close. >> so meredith, based on also what david is saying regarding john boehner your latest article "cliff talks send parties back to old corners." do you think that will mean the same same old results? >> we've seen this movie before. we saw this a year and a half ago during the debt ceiling debate and even a little bit before then in the spring of 2011 when they were talking about potentially having government shut down. remember we're talking to you today about this because last fall the super committee that was supposed to find $1.2 trillion in savings failed to do that. now we're trying to replace those same automatic cuts. so i think there is a lack of trust right now between the main negotiators the house republicans and the white house. i was just talking to senator dick durbin the other day and i asked him, is there a tru
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to avoid it, house speaker john boehner bluntly told reporters today, there is a stalemate. for his part, president obama is trying to break that stalemate by asking voters to put more pressure on the republicans. cnn chief white house correspondent jessica yellin and chief political correspondent gloria borger join us right now. gloria, guess i'll start with you. does the president have any leverage? >> he has a lot of leverage right now. i mean, if you look back to the debt ceiling in the summer of 2011, you recall the president was accused of negotiating with himself because it was sort of a time of weakness for him. right now, look, joe, he's just won re-election. 67% of the american public according to our polls believes that there should be a deal that contains a combination of spending cuts and tax increases. more than half of the american public says, you know what, we'd like the taxes on the wealthy to go up. so he does have public opinion on his side. just been re-elected. so he feels like, you know, he's got the wind at his back so to speak. >> jessica yellin, when you look at
boehner got rid of all the tea party members in charge of the committees, he dump them all in the middle of the night and no one paid attention. that was ding ding ding. it should frighten people. i would say in most cases though deal is not as good as a deal but if they go with what the president lays on the table --. >>neil: i don't know. no deal does mean a really bad deal. >> i this is not, by the way you mentioned the redskins football game, the giants, it is not a contest, a football game. who wins and who loses, democrats and republicans. we are all going to lose if they don't get together. look, they have something on the table called simpson-bowles. all they have to do is follow it. senator congresser laid out a 262-page plan, very detailed and gave it to everyone and they are not paying attention to it. >>neil: it is time for me to save the country. that was drawn to scale. there we go again. >> i need those vitamins you are taking. >>neil: go ahead and laugh. michelle, i think there is a middle ground, you know you can be dogmatic about there and you argue to everyone calming
to pennsylvania to sell it to you. republicans aren't buying it. listen to house speaker, john boehner. >> despite the claims the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> democrats are firing right back at boehner. harry reid getting a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> ouch. athena jones live from washington. same old same old. where do we go from here? >> that's the big question. the nice talk after the election is pretty much gone away. you mentioned one of the big sticking points, that's taxes. republicans and democrats can't agree on how to raise the tax revenue? end the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, close the loopholes, raise the capital gains taxes or all of the above. right now, they can't agree on how much money should be raised on the revenue side. let's listen to more from harry reid about the democrats stance on this. >> we are ready to protect middle class families by freezing the tax rates for the first $250,000 and letting the rates go to the same level they were during
will get nothing done. >> the question is whether john boehner is going to be able to get that vote of the tea party members of the house. so far, what i find disgusting, if the republicans could have made this deal six months ago because they were so cocky. they figured they were going to knock obama out, it was going to be a different world. right? so they went home and said we will wait for the election. and let the people decide. we will be in charge after this eriction. guess what. >> that's what they did. and they lost. >> exactly >> bill: they got busted. they lost their ass. so now, they refuse to recognize there was an election. right? they refuse to accept the results of the election. >> you are completely right. beyond that point, i don't think they need the 80 tea party members to vote with them. they just need a coalition >> bill: you know what they need? they need to schedule a vote. >> exactly. >> bill: that's what boehner has to do. >> that's what he won't do >> bill: there is no doubt in my mind if he scheduled a vote at this poi
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